The Official Michael Regan NBA GOAT Rankings – Yet Another Big Chunk of Work
26 min readChampionships and Role (14)
Subcategories:
- Titles Won Adjusted for Role (2.8)
- Titles Won Adjusted for Role and League Size (11.2)
Championships themselves are obviously rather self-explanatory. And there is ultimately no singular piece that makes up a larger part of one’s legacy than the frequency with which they lifted the Larry O’Brien trophy at the end of their seasons. We must consider more than just championships, but it is an over-adjustment in the other direction to claim that titles are not of great importance. But not all championships are equal, so how exactly do we adjust to make up for that?
1) Role
There’s no point in counting titles without adjusting for role. MJ has 6 titles. Jim Loscutoff of the 50s and 60s Celtics has 7. Props to you if you know the name Jim Loscutoff. Loscutoff played zero minutes in two of those seven Finals series and never scored more than 10 points per game in a playoff series. Klay’s titles are not equal to Steph’s. Ray Allen’s are not equal to LeBron’s. Magic’s 5 rings don’t compare to Steve Kerr’s 5 (as a player). Two things can be true at once. Being a part of a title team is impressive regardless of role. And the greater your role, the harder it is to win said title – and thus the more impressive it is. Role players fit a role and fit it well. The star needs to be the engine that powers the run.
2) League Size
Bill Russell winning 11 titles was an incredible accomplishment. Bill Russell also would never have won 11 titles had their been roughly three times as many teams to beat out for that championship – as there are today. This is a pretty simple reality. Now, role is something that I will adjust for 100% of the time since you just can’t separate it from the value of an individual player’s contribution to a title. League size, however, I will only adjust for with 80% of the value here. That’s a fully arbitrary cutoff, but the idea behind it is that league size is certainly a massive factor but not the only one. Ten teams versus thirty doesn’t necessarily mean that a title was exactly three times easier to win. And when we adjust for league size and apply it 100% of the time, that’s essentially what we’re suggesting. Will also add – adjusting for league size and also playoff rounds (which have also increased over time) is repetitive. We’re getting at the same thing with both.
So how exactly do we make these adjustments? League size is very simple, so I’ll just start there. You take 30 (the max number of teams) and divide it by whatever the lower number of teams is. This will create a multiple greater than 1. You then divide the championship value that we’ve created based on role by that number, which will obviously decrease it.
The way I’ll be doing role is also relatively simple, though there are certainly more feasible ways to do it. But I will simply be taking a title team’s full postseason win shares, finding the percentage of them that one of our players makes up, and then giving them that value instead of 1 for a single title. So, for example, if Tom Smith had 32% of the Lakers’ win shares in the 1923 playoffs, he’d be getting 0.32 points for winning that title while his teammate Larry Schneider would be getting 0.14 if he had 14% of the Lakers’ team win shares from those playoffs. That should be pretty straightforward. Are win shares the perfect stat to use for this? Maybe not. There’s always going to be more things we can toss in and a deeper hole we can dig. But the stat used to essentially measure wins generated is a pretty good place to start for a simple determination of how much one player contributed to a title run.
Also worth clarifying – ABA titles are included & a player that plays for a team during the regular season but not during the playoffs will get no credit for the playoff run given that any potential impact is purely theoretical.
We’ll start with just the role adjustment. There are 2 goat points on the line. I’ve already described how this works, but I’ll add some extra context on what exactly the results look like. Your typical #1 option – a designation that is certainly blurred on some teams – is typically getting somewhere between 0.2 and 0.3 points per title. Giannis, for example, gets 0.24 points for his title. KG got 0.22. LeBron and Larry Bird averaged just under 0.3 points across their titles. Alonzo Mourning, meanwhile, got 0.07 points for his 2006 title with the Heat. Andre Iguodala and Klay, at four titles apiece, have just 0.29 and 0.36 total points, respectively. Here are the full results. Only 89 of our players won at least one championship, and I won’t include the others in the table.
Player | Title Value (No Size Adjustment) | GOAT POINTS |
Bill Russell | 2.9 | 2.80 |
MJ | 1.78 | 1.72 |
George Mikan | 1.73 | 1.67 |
Sam Jones | 1.53 | 1.48 |
Tim Duncan | 1.3 | 1.26 |
Magic | 1.28 | 1.23 |
John Havlicek | 1.24 | 1.20 |
LeBron | 1.18 | 1.13 |
Kobe | 1.14 | 1.11 |
Kareem | 1.08 | 1.04 |
Pippen | 1.03 | 0.99 |
Shaq | 1.02 | 0.98 |
Dr J | 0.96 | 0.92 |
Larry | 0.89 | 0.85 |
Steph | 0.82 | 0.80 |
Manu | 0.73 | 0.70 |
Wilt | 0.67 | 0.64 |
Horace Grant | 0.64 | 0.62 |
Bill Sharman | 0.62 | 0.60 |
D Wade | 0.6 | 0.57 |
Dray | 0.59 | 0.57 |
Bob Cousy | 0.57 | 0.55 |
James Worthy | 0.55 | 0.53 |
Pau | 0.55 | 0.53 |
Hakeem | 0.52 | 0.50 |
Walt Frazier | 0.51 | 0.49 |
McHale | 0.47 | 0.45 |
Dennis Rodman | 0.46 | 0.45 |
Kawhi | 0.45 | 0.43 |
KD | 0.44 | 0.42 |
Dave Cowens | 0.42 | 0.41 |
David Robinson | 0.37 | 0.36 |
Klay | 0.36 | 0.35 |
Bailey Howell | 0.35 | 0.34 |
IT | 0.35 | 0.34 |
Paul Arizin | 0.32 | 0.31 |
Robert Parish | 0.32 | 0.31 |
Willis Reed | 0.32 | 0.31 |
AC Green | 0.3 | 0.29 |
Bill Laimbeer | 0.3 | 0.29 |
Moses | 0.3 | 0.29 |
AD | 0.29 | 0.28 |
Artis Gilmore | 0.29 | 0.28 |
Bill Walton | 0.29 | 0.28 |
Iggy | 0.29 | 0.28 |
Tony Parker | 0.29 | 0.28 |
Rick Barry | 0.28 | 0.27 |
Zelmo Beaty | 0.27 | 0.27 |
Dolph Schayes | 0.26 | 0.25 |
Ray Allen | 0.26 | 0.25 |
Elvin Hayes | 0.25 | 0.24 |
Dirk | 0.24 | 0.24 |
Giannis | 0.24 | 0.24 |
Bosh | 0.22 | 0.21 |
Clyde Drexler | 0.22 | 0.21 |
KG | 0.22 | 0.21 |
Chauncey | 0.21 | 0.20 |
Chet Walker | 0.21 | 0.20 |
Bob Pettit | 0.2 | 0.20 |
Kyrie | 0.2 | 0.20 |
Dave DeBusschere | 0.19 | 0.18 |
Rajon Rondo | 0.19 | 0.18 |
Jason Terry | 0.18 | 0.17 |
Otis Thorpe | 0.18 | 0.17 |
Tyson Chandler | 0.18 | 0.17 |
Dan Issel | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Earl Monroe | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Hal Greer | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Jack Sikma | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Lowry | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Mo Cheeks | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Oscar | 0.17 | 0.17 |
Paul Pierce | 0.16 | 0.15 |
Wes Unseld | 0.16 | 0.15 |
Bob McAdoo | 0.14 | 0.14 |
Marc Gasol | 0.14 | 0.14 |
Kidd | 0.13 | 0.13 |
Rasheed Wallace | 0.13 | 0.13 |
Bobby Jones | 0.12 | 0.11 |
K Love | 0.12 | 0.11 |
Jerry West | 0.11 | 0.11 |
Tiny Archibald | 0.11 | 0.11 |
Ed Macauley | 0.1 | 0.10 |
Shawn Marion | 0.1 | 0.10 |
Jerry Lucas | 0.09 | 0.08 |
Alonzo Mourning | 0.07 | 0.07 |
Dwight | 0.07 | 0.07 |
Gary Payton | 0.07 | 0.07 |
Billy Cunningham | 0.04 | 0.04 |
And then we have the adjustment for teams in the league. Remember that this is as simple as dividing 30 (the league’s max size) by the number of teams in any given year (say 10) to get a multiplier (say 3) – and then dividing the values we see above by that multiplier. I did this for each individual title rather than using the cumulative value and an average multiplier, but we get the same result either way.
Player | SA Title Value | GOAT POINTS |
MJ | 1.66 | 11.20 |
Tim Duncan | 1.28 | 8.64 |
LeBron | 1.18 | 7.97 |
Kobe | 1.13 | 7.63 |
Shaq | 0.99 | 6.68 |
Magic | 0.98 | 6.61 |
Pippen | 0.97 | 6.54 |
Bill Russell | 0.87 | 5.87 |
Steph | 0.82 | 5.53 |
Kareem | 0.77 | 5.19 |
Manu | 0.73 | 4.93 |
Larry | 0.69 | 4.66 |
George Mikan | 0.68 | 4.59 |
D Wade | 0.6 | 4.05 |
Dray | 0.59 | 3.98 |
Horace Grant | 0.58 | 3.92 |
John Havlicek | 0.56 | 3.78 |
Pau | 0.55 | 3.71 |
Sam Jones | 0.47 | 3.18 |
Hakeem | 0.47 | 3.18 |
Kawhi | 0.45 | 3.04 |
KD | 0.44 | 2.97 |
Dennis Rodman | 0.43 | 2.90 |
James Worthy | 0.42 | 2.83 |
McHale | 0.36 | 2.42 |
David Robinson | 0.36 | 2.42 |
Klay | 0.36 | 2.42 |
Dr J | 0.32 | 2.16 |
IT | 0.31 | 2.09 |
Wilt | 0.3 | 2.03 |
AD | 0.29 | 1.96 |
Iggy | 0.29 | 1.96 |
Tony Parker | 0.28 | 1.89 |
Walt Frazier | 0.27 | 1.82 |
Bill Laimbeer | 0.26 | 1.75 |
Ray Allen | 0.26 | 1.75 |
Robert Parish | 0.25 | 1.68 |
Dave Cowens | 0.24 | 1.62 |
AC Green | 0.24 | 1.62 |
Dirk | 0.24 | 1.62 |
Giannis | 0.24 | 1.62 |
Moses | 0.23 | 1.55 |
Bill Walton | 0.22 | 1.48 |
Bosh | 0.22 | 1.48 |
KG | 0.22 | 1.48 |
Clyde Drexler | 0.2 | 1.34 |
Chauncey | 0.2 | 1.34 |
Kyrie | 0.2 | 1.34 |
Rajon Rondo | 0.19 | 1.29 |
Elvin Hayes | 0.18 | 1.22 |
Jason Terry | 0.18 | 1.22 |
Tyson Chandler | 0.18 | 1.22 |
Rick Barry | 0.17 | 1.15 |
Lowry | 0.17 | 1.15 |
Bill Sharman | 0.16 | 1.08 |
Bob Cousy | 0.16 | 1.08 |
Willis Reed | 0.16 | 1.08 |
Otis Thorpe | 0.16 | 1.08 |
Paul Pierce | 0.16 | 1.08 |
Bailey Howell | 0.15 | 1.01 |
Marc Gasol | 0.14 | 0.94 |
Jack Sikma | 0.13 | 0.88 |
Mo Cheeks | 0.13 | 0.88 |
Kidd | 0.13 | 0.88 |
Rasheed Wallace | 0.13 | 0.88 |
Wes Unseld | 0.12 | 0.81 |
K Love | 0.12 | 0.81 |
Bob McAdoo | 0.11 | 0.74 |
Artis Gilmore | 0.1 | 0.67 |
Zelmo Beaty | 0.1 | 0.67 |
Dave DeBusschere | 0.1 | 0.67 |
Earl Monroe | 0.1 | 0.67 |
Oscar | 0.1 | 0.67 |
Shawn Marion | 0.1 | 0.67 |
Paul Arizin | 0.09 | 0.60 |
Bobby Jones | 0.09 | 0.60 |
Tiny Archibald | 0.09 | 0.60 |
Dolph Schayes | 0.08 | 0.55 |
Chet Walker | 0.07 | 0.48 |
Alonzo Mourning | 0.07 | 0.48 |
Dwight | 0.07 | 0.48 |
Gary Payton | 0.07 | 0.48 |
Dan Issel | 0.06 | 0.41 |
Hal Greer | 0.06 | 0.41 |
Jerry West | 0.06 | 0.41 |
Bob Pettit | 0.05 | 0.34 |
Jerry Lucas | 0.05 | 0.34 |
Ed Macauley | 0.03 | 0.20 |
Billy Cunningham | 0.01 | 0.07 |
And with that, here is a look at the overall championships leaderboard across those two kinds of adjustments. Remember that every player not listed will have zero –
Player | GOAT POINTS |
MJ | 12.92 |
Tim Duncan | 9.90 |
LeBron | 9.09 |
Kobe | 8.73 |
Bill Russell | 8.67 |
Magic | 7.84 |
Shaq | 7.66 |
Pippen | 7.53 |
Steph | 6.33 |
George Mikan | 6.26 |
Kareem | 6.24 |
Manu | 5.63 |
Larry | 5.51 |
John Havlicek | 4.98 |
Sam Jones | 4.65 |
D Wade | 4.62 |
Dray | 4.55 |
Horace Grant | 4.53 |
Pau | 4.24 |
Hakeem | 3.67 |
Kawhi | 3.47 |
KD | 3.39 |
James Worthy | 3.36 |
Dennis Rodman | 3.35 |
Dr J | 3.08 |
McHale | 2.88 |
David Robinson | 2.79 |
Klay | 2.78 |
Wilt | 2.66 |
IT | 2.43 |
Walt Frazier | 2.31 |
AD | 2.24 |
Iggy | 2.24 |
Tony Parker | 2.17 |
Bill Laimbeer | 2.04 |
Dave Cowens | 2.03 |
Ray Allen | 2.00 |
Robert Parish | 2.00 |
AC Green | 1.91 |
Dirk | 1.86 |
Giannis | 1.86 |
Moses | 1.84 |
Bill Walton | 1.76 |
Bosh | 1.69 |
KG | 1.69 |
Bill Sharman | 1.68 |
Bob Cousy | 1.63 |
Clyde Drexler | 1.56 |
Chauncey | 1.55 |
Kyrie | 1.55 |
Rajon Rondo | 1.46 |
Elvin Hayes | 1.45 |
Rick Barry | 1.42 |
Willis Reed | 1.39 |
Jason Terry | 1.38 |
Tyson Chandler | 1.38 |
Bailey Howell | 1.35 |
Lowry | 1.32 |
Otis Thorpe | 1.25 |
Paul Pierce | 1.23 |
Marc Gasol | 1.08 |
Jack Sikma | 1.05 |
Mo Cheeks | 1.05 |
Kidd | 1.01 |
Rasheed Wallace | 1.01 |
Wes Unseld | 0.96 |
Artis Gilmore | 0.95 |
Zelmo Beaty | 0.94 |
K Love | 0.92 |
Paul Arizin | 0.92 |
Bob McAdoo | 0.88 |
Dave DeBusschere | 0.85 |
Earl Monroe | 0.84 |
Oscar | 0.84 |
Dolph Schayes | 0.79 |
Shawn Marion | 0.77 |
Bobby Jones | 0.72 |
Tiny Archibald | 0.72 |
Chet Walker | 0.67 |
Dan Issel | 0.57 |
Hal Greer | 0.57 |
Alonzo Mourning | 0.54 |
Dwight | 0.54 |
Gary Payton | 0.54 |
Bob Pettit | 0.54 |
Jerry West | 0.51 |
Jerry Lucas | 0.42 |
Ed Macauley | 0.30 |
Billy Cunningham | 0.11 |
And from there we can go to our new cumulative leaderboard –
Player | TOTAL GOAT POINTS |
MJ | 53.9 |
LeBron | 52.35 |
Kareem | 49.55 |
Tim Duncan | 47.77 |
Bill Russell | 44.18 |
Wilt | 44.04 |
Kobe | 44.03 |
Magic | 43.3 |
Shaq | 42.74 |
Larry | 41.07 |
Dr J | 39.78 |
Hakeem | 38.94 |
Karl Malone | 38.57 |
David Robinson | 38.29 |
KG | 38.06 |
Steph | 37.01 |
Pippen | 36.93 |
Dirk | 36.51 |
KD | 36.31 |
Moses | 36.06 |
George Mikan | 34.93 |
Oscar | 34.86 |
Chris Paul | 34.8 |
John Havlicek | 34.23 |
Artis Gilmore | 34.01 |
Stockton | 33.83 |
D Wade | 33.8 |
Pau | 33.53 |
Chuck | 33.38 |
Bob Pettit | 33.03 |
Harden | 32.42 |
Kidd | 32.39 |
Dwight | 32.35 |
Jerry West | 32.28 |
Giannis | 31.67 |
Gary Payton | 31.27 |
AD | 31.09 |
Kawhi | 31.07 |
Clyde Drexler | 31.06 |
Manu | 30.99 |
Rick Barry | 30.86 |
Elvin Hayes | 30.83 |
Paul Pierce | 30.73 |
Robert Parish | 30.59 |
Dolph Schayes | 30.54 |
Ray Allen | 30.23 |
Russ | 30.03 |
Nash | 29.75 |
Horace Grant | 29.7 |
Dan Issel | 29.62 |
Ewing | 29.32 |
Bob Cousy | 29.18 |
Elgin Baylor | 29.13 |
Jokic | 29.04 |
Reggie | 28.95 |
McHale | 28.91 |
AI | 28.66 |
Dennis Rodman | 28.41 |
Shawn Marion | 28.4 |
Dominique | 28.27 |
IT | 28.27 |
Sam Jones | 28.26 |
Dikembe | 28.2 |
Walt Frazier | 28.19 |
Bosh | 28.03 |
Dave Cowens | 27.89 |
George Gervin | 27.89 |
Tony Parker | 27.85 |
Walt Bellamy | 27.74 |
Jack Sikma | 27.73 |
Vince | 27.68 |
Chauncey | 27.67 |
Wes Unseld | 27.5 |
Alonzo Mourning | 27.43 |
Melo | 27.38 |
Bob Lanier | 27.34 |
Bill Laimbeer | 27.19 |
Paul Arizin | 27.17 |
T-Mac | 27.14 |
Iggy | 27.1 |
Gobert | 27.02 |
Bailey Howell | 26.91 |
Jerry Lucas | 26.91 |
Kyle Lowry | 26.89 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 26.88 |
Bob McAdoo | 26.87 |
Dray | 26.85 |
K Love | 26.77 |
CWebb | 26.71 |
James Worthy | 26.66 |
Willis Reed | 26.5 |
Sheed Wallace | 26.35 |
Adrian Dantley | 26.28 |
Billy Cunningham | 26.24 |
Dame | 26.18 |
Mo Cheeks | 26.08 |
Grant Hill | 26.08 |
Jason Terry | 26.05 |
Kyrie | 26.05 |
Chet Walker | 26.02 |
Marc Gasol | 25.97 |
Buck Williams | 25.94 |
Zelmo Beaty | 25.91 |
Elton Brand | 25.9 |
Larry Nance | 25.8 |
Hal Greer | 25.71 |
AC Green | 25.66 |
Alex English | 25.65 |
Horford | 25.65 |
KAT | 25.64 |
Jimmy | 25.62 |
Terry Porter | 25.61 |
Tim Hardaway | 25.51 |
Nate Thurmond | 25.48 |
Ed Macauley | 25.47 |
Otis Thorpe | 25.44 |
Kevin Johnson | 25.35 |
Paul George | 25.32 |
Tyson Chandler | 25.27 |
Bill Sharman | 25.25 |
Bobby Jones | 25.23 |
Mullin | 25.16 |
Millsap | 25.14 |
Jeff Hornacek | 25.12 |
Vlade Divac | 25.11 |
Blake | 25.06 |
Detlef Schrempf | 25.04 |
Lenny Wilkens | 25.02 |
Sidney Moncrief | 24.94 |
Andre Miller | 24.88 |
Eddie Jones | 24.71 |
Tiny Archibald | 24.6 |
Sam Perkins | 24.56 |
Rajon Rondo | 24.53 |
Dave DeBusschere | 24.37 |
Bill Walton | 24.35 |
Rod Strickland | 24.34 |
Mookie Blaylock | 24.32 |
Clifford Robinson | 24.3 |
Joe Johnson | 24.23 |
Yao | 24.1 |
Mark Price | 23.83 |
AK47 | 23.73 |
Marques Johnson | 23.72 |
Dave Bing | 23.65 |
Klay | 23.6 |
Fat Lever | 23.19 |
Terrell Brandon | 22.88 |
Alvin Robertson | 22.66 |
David Thompson | 22.61 |
Doc Rivers | 22.19 |
Pistol Pete | 22.14 |
Earl Monroe | 22.12 |
D Rose | 21.78 |
Nate McMillan | 20.76 |
Tree Rollins | 20.75 |
Mark Eaton | 20.21 |
Some notes with 12 of 14 categories down –
- There are still plenty of points on the board, but the expected race at the top has developed. MJ edging out LeBron for the top spot with Kareem the clear third horse
- The rest of the top ten should surprise few. In order – Duncan, Russell, Wilt, Kobe, Magic, Shaq, Bird
- Steph (16) has the edge over KD (19)
- George Mikan, Bob Pettit, and John Havlicek have all found their way into the top 30. Mikan and Havlicek are ahead of the likes of Dwyane Wade, James Harden, and Dwight Howard with Pettit ahead of the latter two
- Giannis finds himself just a few spots lower in 35th after our championship round. He obviously has a very long way to go to get up to the likes of MJ and LeBron, but, at 27, he has the chance to break into some pretty impressive positions on the all-time leaderboard. AD isn’t far behind either in 37th, and he certainly has the statistical resume for a run up the list if he could just find his way to turning that talent into playoff success another time or two
- Kawhi (38) and Manu (40) both join the top 40 after the championship category. Manu likely winds up finishing at least a little bit higher than most would expect
- Jokic sits just outside the top 50 at 54. Obviously has the MVPs that help bolster the stats, but he’s another active name to watch if he can get the ball rolling in the postseason
- Isiah Thomas moves up to 61, still has work to do to break into the top 50
- Dame is in 95th and will likely end up outside that top 75 barrier
- Kyrie (99) is still behind Bob Cousy by 47 spots, but he makes a bit of an overall jump with his championship
- Draymond makes a massive jump to 87th, which is perhaps still underwhelming but far better than ranking in the bottom ten
- Klay, meanwhile, still sits all the way down in 146th
Finals Record and Appearances (7.5)
Subcategories:
- Finals Appearances Adjusted for Role (1)
- Finals Appearances Adjusted for Role and League Size (4)
- Finals Winning Percentage (2)
Few things here –
- We want to make an effort to account for trips to the Finals as well. For one thing, it gives a guy like Charles Barkley credit for leading their team deep into the playoffs, even if they ended up falling short. The same could be said for Dwight Howard or, perhaps the most consistent example, Jerry West, despite the lone championship those two managed to grab. It also gives credit to LeBron (and others like West) for consistently reaching that stage. It matters to get there. For James, ten trips is an incredible accomplishment, even if we need to counter with the fact that he’s lost six of them.
- As far as scoring goes, we’ll be doing the exact same thing we did for championships won with our Finals appearances categories – basing value on your proportion of win shares during the playoff run and adjusting for league size 80% of the time. Five goat points will be on the line instead of ten, but that’s the only real scoring difference. Note that a Finals trip will be the same as a championship won in the win shares sense given that the team that loses in the Finals still plays the full number of rounds.
- We’re also going to adjust for Finals winning percentage here. 6-0 is perhaps an infamous phrase and argument at this point, but it still matters. LeBron hasn’t won six rings total, and he’s had four more chances than Jordan did. That’s not the only thing that matters, but it’s silly to ignore it. I’m going to give winning percentage a little bit of a lower value for two reasons. One, we’ve already indirectly put value on it by giving 10 points to the titles won category. The better your Finals winning percentage, the more titles you will win. And two, 100% is 6-0 and 4-0 and 2-0 and 1-0. And 0% is 0-1 and 0-3. Those are the same percentages but obviously different things. But to separate them by volume is to just go back and do what we did in the category above. And there is value in converting your opportunities, whether you get one, three, or six. So we’ll give it a few points, include it, and call it a day.
- I’m going to do my best to account for players that get hurt early in the playoffs and still see their team make the Finals and will hopefully catch just about everyone. Since our values are determined by win shares, this wouldn’t give anyone an unfair edge for work their teammates do – you only get as many points as your share of the win shares provide rather than getting a blanket value for any and all Finals appearances. This provides some cover in case any slip through the cracks (there won’t be that many win shares for someone who gets hurt in the first round anyway), but it also gives credit to a player like Patrick Ewing who helped put the Knicks on the verge of the Finals in 1999 before getting hurt. One other note that runs with this – I won’t be including any Finals won or lost for or against an injured player that never touches the floor in the series given that they had no on-court impact on the outcome. So Ewing, for example, will go down as 0-1 rather than 0-2. That has no impact on his winning percentage, but this also brings Kevin Love from 1-4 to 1-3 as a more impactful example.
- Tracy McGrady went to the Finals with the Spurs in 2013, but he managed to produce -0.1 win shares in about 31 playoff minutes. Given the small sample size, I’m just going to scrap it and put him at 0 with everyone who never appeared in a Finals since giving a veteran playing spot minutes for a team that didn’t really need him “negative Finals appearances” because he didn’t play much of a playoff role seems rather ridiculous. The ultimate difference between the two in goat points is essentially negligible, but I’ll mention it here to make everything surrounding that Finals appearance clear. I’ll still give him an 0-1 record in the Finals because technically he played (and its irrelevant to the winning percentage anyway). The same applies to Tree Rollins, who racked up -0.1 playoff win shares on the way to his lone Finals appearance as a 39 year-old player coach with the Magic in 1995, though Rollins ended up not playing in the Finals itself which will lead to a Finals record of 0-0.
Let’s start with Finals appearances adjusted for role for 1 goat point. Everyone is on this list, even those with no Finals appearances –
Player | Title Value | GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 3.16 | 1.00 |
Bill Russell | 3.06 | 0.97 |
Jerry West | 2.98 | 0.94 |
Magic | 2.34 | 0.74 |
Kareem | 2.02 | 0.64 |
Wilt | 1.95 | 0.62 |
Dr J | 1.84 | 0.58 |
MJ | 1.78 | 0.56 |
George Mikan | 1.73 | 0.55 |
Kobe | 1.65 | 0.52 |
Shaq | 1.60 | 0.51 |
Sam Jones | 1.58 | 0.50 |
Elgin Baylor | 1.52 | 0.48 |
Tim Duncan | 1.46 | 0.46 |
Larry | 1.39 | 0.44 |
Bob Pettit | 1.33 | 0.42 |
John Havlicek | 1.24 | 0.39 |
Steph | 1.20 | 0.38 |
Dan Issel | 1.03 | 0.33 |
Pippen | 1.03 | 0.33 |
D Wade | 1.00 | 0.32 |
James Worthy | 0.99 | 0.31 |
Dray | 0.94 | 0.30 |
Wes Unseld | 0.93 | 0.29 |
KD | 0.90 | 0.28 |
McHale | 0.89 | 0.28 |
Dolph Schayes | 0.88 | 0.28 |
Horace Grant | 0.85 | 0.27 |
Walt Frazier | 0.85 | 0.27 |
Bill Sharman | 0.82 | 0.26 |
Hakeem | 0.82 | 0.26 |
Manu | 0.82 | 0.26 |
Rick Barry | 0.80 | 0.25 |
Bob Cousy | 0.77 | 0.24 |
Pau | 0.76 | 0.24 |
Elvin Hayes | 0.71 | 0.22 |
Bobby Jones | 0.70 | 0.22 |
Clyde Drexler | 0.70 | 0.22 |
Kawhi | 0.66 | 0.21 |
Robert Parish | 0.66 | 0.21 |
Moses | 0.64 | 0.20 |
Dirk | 0.60 | 0.19 |
Bosh | 0.59 | 0.19 |
Artis Gilmore | 0.58 | 0.18 |
Kidd | 0.58 | 0.18 |
Terry Porter | 0.58 | 0.18 |
IT | 0.55 | 0.17 |
Klay | 0.55 | 0.17 |
Iggy | 0.54 | 0.17 |
Karl Malone | 0.54 | 0.17 |
Dennis Rodman | 0.53 | 0.17 |
Ray Allen | 0.50 | 0.16 |
Kyrie | 0.49 | 0.16 |
Chauncey | 0.48 | 0.15 |
Mo Cheeks | 0.48 | 0.15 |
AC Green | 0.47 | 0.15 |
Bill Laimbeer | 0.45 | 0.14 |
Stockton | 0.44 | 0.14 |
Tony Parker | 0.44 | 0.14 |
Zelmo Beaty | 0.43 | 0.14 |
Dave Cowens | 0.42 | 0.13 |
Earl Monroe | 0.42 | 0.13 |
Sam Perkins | 0.42 | 0.13 |
Gary Payton | 0.41 | 0.13 |
Dwight | 0.39 | 0.12 |
Nate Thurmond | 0.39 | 0.12 |
K Love | 0.38 | 0.12 |
KG | 0.38 | 0.12 |
David Robinson | 0.37 | 0.12 |
Rajon Rondo | 0.37 | 0.12 |
Jack Sikma | 0.36 | 0.11 |
Bailey Howell | 0.35 | 0.11 |
Chuck | 0.35 | 0.11 |
Dikembe | 0.34 | 0.11 |
Jerry Lucas | 0.34 | 0.11 |
Sheed Wallace | 0.34 | 0.11 |
Paul Pierce | 0.33 | 0.10 |
Dave DeBusschere | 0.32 | 0.10 |
Paul Arizin | 0.32 | 0.10 |
Willis Reed | 0.32 | 0.10 |
Ewing | 0.31 | 0.10 |
Jason Terry | 0.30 | 0.09 |
Oscar | 0.30 | 0.09 |
AD | 0.29 | 0.09 |
Bill Walton | 0.29 | 0.09 |
Buck Williams | 0.28 | 0.09 |
David Thompson | 0.28 | 0.09 |
Ed Macauley | 0.28 | 0.09 |
Jeff Hornacek | 0.28 | 0.09 |
Jimmy | 0.28 | 0.09 |
Reggie | 0.25 | 0.08 |
Giannis | 0.24 | 0.08 |
AI | 0.23 | 0.07 |
Bob McAdoo | 0.23 | 0.07 |
Chet Walker | 0.21 | 0.07 |
Horford | 0.21 | 0.07 |
Adrian Dantley | 0.19 | 0.06 |
Chris Paul | 0.18 | 0.06 |
Otis Thorpe | 0.18 | 0.06 |
Tyson Chandler | 0.18 | 0.06 |
Hal Greer | 0.17 | 0.05 |
Kyle Lowry | 0.17 | 0.05 |
Vlade Divac | 0.17 | 0.05 |
Russ | 0.16 | 0.05 |
Marc Gasol | 0.14 | 0.04 |
Kevin Johnson | 0.12 | 0.04 |
Tiny Archibald | 0.11 | 0.03 |
Detlef Schrempf | 0.10 | 0.03 |
Shawn Marion | 0.10 | 0.03 |
Nate McMillan | 0.09 | 0.03 |
Alonzo Mourning | 0.07 | 0.02 |
Clifford Robinson | 0.06 | 0.02 |
Billy Cunningam | 0.04 | 0.01 |
Mullin | 0.02 | 0.01 |
AK47 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Alex English | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Alvin Robertson | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Andre Miller | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Blake | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Bob Lanier | 0.00 | 0.00 |
CWebb | 0.00 | 0.00 |
D Rose | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dame | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dave Bing | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Doc Rivers | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dominique | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Eddie Jones | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Elton Brand | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Fat Lever | 0.00 | 0.00 |
George Gervin | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Gobert | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Grant Hill | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Harden | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Joe Johnson | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Jokic | 0.00 | 0.00 |
KAT | 0.00 | 0.00 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Larry Nance | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Lenny Wilkens | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mark Eaton | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mark Price | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Marques Johnson | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Melo | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Millsap | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mookie Blaylock | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Nash | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Paul George | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Pistol Pete | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Rod Strickland | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Sidney Moncrief | 0.00 | 0.00 |
T-Mac | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Terrell Brandon | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Tim Hardaway | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Tree Rollins | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Vince | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Walt Bellamy | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Yao | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Then we can add the era adjustment based on league size. There are 4 goat points available here –
Player | SA Title Value | GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 3.16 | 4.00 |
Magic | 1.83 | 2.32 |
MJ | 1.66 | 2.10 |
Kobe | 1.62 | 2.05 |
Shaq | 1.53 | 1.94 |
Kareem | 1.45 | 1.84 |
Tim Duncan | 1.45 | 1.84 |
Steph | 1.20 | 1.52 |
Jerry West | 1.14 | 1.44 |
Larry | 1.07 | 1.35 |
D Wade | 1.00 | 1.27 |
Pippen | 0.96 | 1.22 |
Dray | 0.94 | 1.19 |
Bill Russell | 0.92 | 1.16 |
KD | 0.90 | 1.14 |
Dr J | 0.87 | 1.10 |
Wilt | 0.83 | 1.05 |
Manu | 0.81 | 1.03 |
James Worthy | 0.79 | 1.00 |
Horace Grant | 0.77 | 0.97 |
Pau | 0.76 | 0.96 |
Hakeem | 0.70 | 0.89 |
McHale | 0.68 | 0.86 |
Kawhi | 0.66 | 0.84 |
George Mikan | 0.64 | 0.81 |
Clyde Drexler | 0.63 | 0.80 |
Dirk | 0.60 | 0.76 |
Wes Unseld | 0.60 | 0.76 |
Bosh | 0.59 | 0.75 |
Kidd | 0.57 | 0.72 |
Klay | 0.55 | 0.70 |
Iggy | 0.54 | 0.68 |
Karl Malone | 0.52 | 0.66 |
Terry Porter | 0.52 | 0.66 |
Elgin Baylor | 0.51 | 0.65 |
Robert Parish | 0.51 | 0.65 |
Ray Allen | 0.50 | 0.63 |
Elvin Hayes | 0.49 | 0.62 |
Kyrie | 0.49 | 0.62 |
Moses | 0.49 | 0.62 |
Sam Jones | 0.48 | 0.61 |
Chauncey | 0.47 | 0.59 |
Dennis Rodman | 0.47 | 0.59 |
John Havlicek | 0.46 | 0.58 |
IT | 0.45 | 0.57 |
Walt Frazier | 0.45 | 0.57 |
Tony Parker | 0.44 | 0.56 |
Artis Gilmore | 0.43 | 0.54 |
Stockton | 0.42 | 0.53 |
Gary Payton | 0.40 | 0.51 |
AC Green | 0.39 | 0.49 |
Dwight | 0.39 | 0.49 |
Sam Perkins | 0.39 | 0.49 |
K Love | 0.38 | 0.48 |
KG | 0.38 | 0.48 |
Rajon Rondo | 0.37 | 0.47 |
David Robinson | 0.36 | 0.46 |
Mo Cheeks | 0.36 | 0.46 |
Bill Laimbeer | 0.35 | 0.44 |
Bob Pettit | 0.35 | 0.44 |
Bobby Jones | 0.34 | 0.43 |
Dikembe | 0.33 | 0.42 |
Paul Pierce | 0.33 | 0.42 |
Rick Barry | 0.33 | 0.42 |
Sheed Wallace | 0.33 | 0.42 |
Dan Issel | 0.32 | 0.41 |
Chuck | 0.31 | 0.39 |
Dolph Schayes | 0.31 | 0.39 |
Jason Terry | 0.30 | 0.38 |
AD | 0.29 | 0.37 |
Jerry Lucas | 0.29 | 0.37 |
Ewing | 0.28 | 0.35 |
Jimmy | 0.28 | 0.35 |
Jeff Hornacek | 0.27 | 0.34 |
Jack Sikma | 0.26 | 0.33 |
Buck Williams | 0.25 | 0.32 |
Dave Cowens | 0.24 | 0.30 |
Earl Monroe | 0.24 | 0.30 |
Giannis | 0.24 | 0.30 |
Reggie | 0.24 | 0.30 |
AI | 0.22 | 0.28 |
Bill Sharman | 0.22 | 0.28 |
Bill Walton | 0.22 | 0.28 |
Bob Cousy | 0.21 | 0.27 |
Horford | 0.21 | 0.27 |
Chris Paul | 0.18 | 0.23 |
Tyson Chandler | 0.18 | 0.23 |
Bob McAdoo | 0.17 | 0.22 |
Dave DeBusschere | 0.17 | 0.22 |
Kyle Lowry | 0.17 | 0.22 |
Oscar | 0.17 | 0.22 |
Otis Thorpe | 0.16 | 0.20 |
Russ | 0.16 | 0.20 |
Willis Reed | 0.16 | 0.20 |
Adrian Dantley | 0.15 | 0.19 |
Bailey Howell | 0.15 | 0.19 |
Vlade Divac | 0.15 | 0.19 |
Zelmo Beaty | 0.15 | 0.19 |
Marc Gasol | 0.14 | 0.18 |
Nate Thurmond | 0.12 | 0.15 |
Kevin Johnson | 0.11 | 0.14 |
Detlef Schrempf | 0.10 | 0.13 |
Shawn Marion | 0.10 | 0.13 |
Nate McMillan | 0.09 | 0.11 |
Paul Arizin | 0.09 | 0.11 |
Tiny Archibald | 0.09 | 0.11 |
Alonzo Mourning | 0.07 | 0.09 |
Chet Walker | 0.07 | 0.09 |
Ed Macauley | 0.07 | 0.09 |
David Thompson | 0.06 | 0.08 |
Hal Greer | 0.06 | 0.08 |
Clifford Robinson | 0.05 | 0.06 |
Mullin | 0.02 | 0.03 |
Billy Cunningam | 0.01 | 0.01 |
AK47 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Alex English | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Alvin Robertson | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Andre Miller | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Blake | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Bob Lanier | 0.00 | 0.00 |
CWebb | 0.00 | 0.00 |
D Rose | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dame | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dave Bing | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Doc Rivers | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dominique | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Eddie Jones | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Elton Brand | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Fat Lever | 0.00 | 0.00 |
George Gervin | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Gobert | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Grant Hill | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Harden | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Joe Johnson | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Jokic | 0.00 | 0.00 |
KAT | 0.00 | 0.00 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Larry Nance | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Lenny Wilkens | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mark Eaton | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mark Price | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Marques Johnson | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Melo | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Millsap | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mookie Blaylock | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Nash | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Paul George | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Pistol Pete | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Rod Strickland | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Sidney Moncrief | 0.00 | 0.00 |
T-Mac | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Terrell Brandon | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Tim Hardaway | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Tree Rollins | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Vince | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Walt Bellamy | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Yao | 0.00 | 0.00 |
We can then finish with Finals winning percentage for 2 goat points –
Player | Appearances | Championships | Winning % | GOAT POINTS |
AD | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Alonzo Mourning | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Bailey Howell | 2 | 2 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Billy Cunningam | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Chet Walker | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Dave Cowens | 2 | 2 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
David Robinson | 2 | 2 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
George Mikan | 5 | 5 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Giannis | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Hal Greer | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
John Havlicek | 8 | 8 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Kyle Lowry | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Marc Gasol | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
MJ | 6 | 6 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Otis Thorpe | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Paul Arizin | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Pippen | 6 | 6 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Shawn Marion | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Tiny Archibald | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Tyson Chandler | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Willis Reed | 2 | 2 | 1.00 | 2.00 |
Bill Russell | 12 | 11 | 0.92 | 1.83 |
Sam Jones | 11 | 10 | 0.91 | 1.82 |
Bob Cousy | 7 | 6 | 0.86 | 1.71 |
Dennis Rodman | 6 | 5 | 0.83 | 1.67 |
Tim Duncan | 6 | 5 | 0.83 | 1.67 |
Bill Sharman | 5 | 4 | 0.80 | 1.60 |
Horace Grant | 5 | 4 | 0.80 | 1.60 |
Manu | 5 | 4 | 0.80 | 1.60 |
Tony Parker | 5 | 4 | 0.80 | 1.60 |
Kobe | 7 | 5 | 0.71 | 1.43 |
Bill Laimbeer | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Bill Walton | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Dave DeBusschere | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Dray | 6 | 4 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Hakeem | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Iggy | 6 | 4 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
IT | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Kawhi | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Klay | 6 | 4 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Pau | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Rajon Rondo | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Shaq | 6 | 4 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Steph | 6 | 4 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
Walt Frazier | 3 | 2 | 0.67 | 1.33 |
AC Green | 5 | 3 | 0.60 | 1.20 |
D Wade | 5 | 3 | 0.60 | 1.20 |
Kareem | 10 | 6 | 0.60 | 1.20 |
Larry | 5 | 3 | 0.60 | 1.20 |
McHale | 5 | 3 | 0.60 | 1.20 |
Robert Parish | 5 | 3 | 0.60 | 1.20 |
Magic | 9 | 5 | 0.56 | 1.11 |
Artis Gilmore | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Bob McAdoo | 4 | 2 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Bosh | 4 | 2 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Chauncey | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Dirk | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Dr J | 6 | 3 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Dwight | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Ed Macauley | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Jack Sikma | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
James Worthy | 6 | 3 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Jason Terry | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Jerry Lucas | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
KD | 4 | 2 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
KG | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Moses | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Oscar | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Paul Pierce | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Ray Allen | 4 | 2 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
Zelmo Beaty | 2 | 1 | 0.50 | 1.00 |
LeBron | 10 | 4 | 0.40 | 0.80 |
Clyde Drexler | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Dolph Schayes | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Earl Monroe | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Elvin Hayes | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Gary Payton | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
K Love | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Kidd | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Kyrie | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Mo Cheeks | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Rick Barry | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Sheed Wallace | 3 | 1 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Wilt | 6 | 2 | 0.33 | 0.67 |
Bob Pettit | 4 | 1 | 0.25 | 0.50 |
Bobby Jones | 4 | 1 | 0.25 | 0.50 |
Dan Issel | 4 | 1 | 0.25 | 0.50 |
Wes Unseld | 4 | 1 | 0.25 | 0.50 |
Jerry West | 9 | 1 | 0.11 | 0.22 |
Adrian Dantley | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
AI | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
AK47 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Alex English | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Alvin Robertson | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Andre Miller | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Blake | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Bob Lanier | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Buck Williams | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Chris Paul | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Chuck | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Clifford Robinson | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
CWebb | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
D Rose | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dame | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dave Bing | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
David Thompson | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Detlef Schrempf | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dikembe | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Doc Rivers | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Dominique | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Eddie Jones | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Elgin Baylor | 7 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Elton Brand | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Ewing | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Fat Lever | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
George Gervin | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Gobert | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Grant Hill | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Harden | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Horford | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Jeff Hornacek | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Jimmy | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Joe Johnson | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Jokic | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Karl Malone | 3 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
KAT | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Kevin Johnson | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Larry Nance | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Lenny Wilkens | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mark Eaton | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mark Price | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Marques Johnson | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Melo | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Millsap | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mookie Blaylock | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Mullin | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Nash | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Nate McMillan | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Nate Thurmond | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Paul George | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Pistol Pete | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Reggie | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Rod Strickland | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Russ | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Sam Perkins | 3 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Sidney Moncrief | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Stockton | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
T-Mac | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Terrell Brandon | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Terry Porter | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Tim Hardaway | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Tree Rollins | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Vince | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Vlade Divac | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Walt Bellamy | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
Yao | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
And with that, we can first go to our overall leaderboard for Finals record and appearances –
Player | TOTAL GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 5.80 |
MJ | 4.66 |
Magic | 4.17 |
Kobe | 4.00 |
Bill Russell | 3.97 |
Tim Duncan | 3.96 |
Shaq | 3.78 |
Kareem | 3.67 |
Pippen | 3.54 |
George Mikan | 3.36 |
Steph | 3.23 |
Larry | 2.99 |
John Havlicek | 2.97 |
Sam Jones | 2.93 |
Manu | 2.88 |
Horace Grant | 2.84 |
Dray | 2.82 |
D Wade | 2.78 |
Dr J | 2.68 |
Jerry West | 2.61 |
David Robinson | 2.57 |
Pau | 2.54 |
Hakeem | 2.48 |
AD | 2.46 |
Dave Cowens | 2.44 |
Dennis Rodman | 2.43 |
KD | 2.42 |
Giannis | 2.38 |
Kawhi | 2.38 |
McHale | 2.34 |
Wilt | 2.33 |
James Worthy | 2.31 |
Willis Reed | 2.30 |
Bailey Howell | 2.30 |
Tony Parker | 2.30 |
Tyson Chandler | 2.28 |
Kyle Lowry | 2.27 |
Otis Thorpe | 2.26 |
Bob Cousy | 2.22 |
Marc Gasol | 2.22 |
Paul Arizin | 2.22 |
Klay | 2.20 |
Iggy | 2.19 |
Walt Frazier | 2.17 |
Shawn Marion | 2.16 |
Chet Walker | 2.16 |
Tiny Archibald | 2.15 |
Bill Sharman | 2.14 |
Hal Greer | 2.13 |
Alonzo Mourning | 2.11 |
IT | 2.08 |
Robert Parish | 2.05 |
Billy Cunningam | 2.03 |
Dirk | 1.95 |
Bosh | 1.93 |
Bill Laimbeer | 1.92 |
Rajon Rondo | 1.92 |
AC Green | 1.84 |
Moses | 1.82 |
Ray Allen | 1.79 |
Chauncey | 1.75 |
Artis Gilmore | 1.73 |
Bill Walton | 1.70 |
Clyde Drexler | 1.69 |
Dave DeBusschere | 1.65 |
Dwight | 1.62 |
KG | 1.60 |
Kidd | 1.57 |
Wes Unseld | 1.55 |
Paul Pierce | 1.52 |
Elvin Hayes | 1.51 |
Jason Terry | 1.47 |
Jerry Lucas | 1.47 |
Jack Sikma | 1.44 |
Kyrie | 1.44 |
Bob Pettit | 1.36 |
Dolph Schayes | 1.34 |
Rick Barry | 1.34 |
Zelmo Beaty | 1.33 |
Oscar | 1.31 |
Gary Payton | 1.30 |
Bob McAdoo | 1.29 |
Mo Cheeks | 1.27 |
K Love | 1.27 |
Dan Issel | 1.23 |
Sheed Wallace | 1.19 |
Ed Macauley | 1.18 |
Bobby Jones | 1.15 |
Elgin Baylor | 1.13 |
Earl Monroe | 1.10 |
Terry Porter | 0.84 |
Karl Malone | 0.83 |
Stockton | 0.67 |
Sam Perkins | 0.63 |
Dikembe | 0.53 |
Chuck | 0.50 |
Ewing | 0.45 |
Jimmy | 0.44 |
Jeff Hornacek | 0.43 |
Buck Williams | 0.41 |
Reggie | 0.38 |
AI | 0.35 |
Horford | 0.33 |
Chris Paul | 0.28 |
Nate Thurmond | 0.28 |
Russ | 0.25 |
Adrian Dantley | 0.25 |
Vlade Divac | 0.24 |
Kevin Johnson | 0.18 |
David Thompson | 0.16 |
Detlef Schrempf | 0.16 |
Nate McMillan | 0.14 |
Clifford Robinson | 0.08 |
Mullin | 0.03 |
AK47 | 0.00 |
Alex English | 0.00 |
Alvin Robertson | 0.00 |
Andre Miller | 0.00 |
Blake | 0.00 |
Bob Lanier | 0.00 |
CWebb | 0.00 |
D Rose | 0.00 |
Dame | 0.00 |
Dave Bing | 0.00 |
Doc Rivers | 0.00 |
Dominique | 0.00 |
Eddie Jones | 0.00 |
Elton Brand | 0.00 |
Fat Lever | 0.00 |
George Gervin | 0.00 |
Gobert | 0.00 |
Grant Hill | 0.00 |
Harden | 0.00 |
Joe Johnson | 0.00 |
Jokic | 0.00 |
KAT | 0.00 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 0.00 |
Larry Nance | 0.00 |
Lenny Wilkens | 0.00 |
Mark Eaton | 0.00 |
Mark Price | 0.00 |
Marques Johnson | 0.00 |
Melo | 0.00 |
Millsap | 0.00 |
Mookie Blaylock | 0.00 |
Nash | 0.00 |
Paul George | 0.00 |
Pistol Pete | 0.00 |
Rod Strickland | 0.00 |
Sidney Moncrief | 0.00 |
T-Mac | 0.00 |
Terrell Brandon | 0.00 |
Tim Hardaway | 0.00 |
Tree Rollins | 0.00 |
Vince | 0.00 |
Walt Bellamy | 0.00 |
Yao | 0.00 |
Then the cumulative leaderboard through 13 of 15 categories –
Player | TOTAL GOAT POINTS |
MJ | 58.56 |
LeBron | 58.15 |
Kareem | 53.22 |
Tim Duncan | 51.73 |
Bill Russell | 48.15 |
Kobe | 48.03 |
Magic | 47.47 |
Shaq | 46.52 |
Wilt | 46.37 |
Larry | 44.06 |
Dr J | 42.46 |
Hakeem | 41.42 |
David Robinson | 40.86 |
Pippen | 40.47 |
Steph | 40.24 |
KG | 39.66 |
Karl Malone | 39.40 |
KD | 38.73 |
Dirk | 38.46 |
George Mikan | 38.29 |
Moses | 37.88 |
John Havlicek | 37.20 |
D Wade | 36.58 |
Oscar | 36.17 |
Pau | 36.07 |
Artis Gilmore | 35.74 |
Chris Paul | 35.08 |
Jerry West | 34.89 |
Stockton | 34.50 |
Bob Pettit | 34.39 |
Giannis | 34.05 |
Dwight | 33.97 |
Kidd | 33.96 |
Chuck | 33.88 |
Manu | 33.87 |
AD | 33.55 |
Kawhi | 33.45 |
Clyde Drexler | 32.75 |
Robert Parish | 32.64 |
Gary Payton | 32.57 |
Horace Grant | 32.54 |
Harden | 32.42 |
Elvin Hayes | 32.34 |
Paul Pierce | 32.25 |
Rick Barry | 32.20 |
Ray Allen | 32.02 |
Dolph Schayes | 31.88 |
Bob Cousy | 31.40 |
McHale | 31.25 |
Sam Jones | 31.19 |
Dan Issel | 30.85 |
Dennis Rodman | 30.84 |
Shawn Marion | 30.56 |
Walt Frazier | 30.36 |
IT | 30.35 |
Dave Cowens | 30.33 |
Russ | 30.28 |
Elgin Baylor | 30.26 |
Tony Parker | 30.15 |
Bosh | 29.96 |
Ewing | 29.77 |
Nash | 29.75 |
Dray | 29.67 |
Alonzo Mourning | 29.54 |
Chauncey | 29.42 |
Paul Arizin | 29.39 |
Reggie | 29.33 |
Iggy | 29.29 |
Bailey Howell | 29.21 |
Jack Sikma | 29.17 |
Kyle Lowry | 29.16 |
Bill Laimbeer | 29.11 |
Wes Unseld | 29.05 |
Jokic | 29.04 |
AI | 29.01 |
James Worthy | 28.97 |
Willis Reed | 28.80 |
Dikembe | 28.73 |
Jerry Lucas | 28.38 |
Billy Cunningam | 28.27 |
Dominique | 28.27 |
Marc Gasol | 28.19 |
Chet Walker | 28.18 |
Bob McAdoo | 28.16 |
K Love | 28.04 |
George Gervin | 27.89 |
Hal Greer | 27.84 |
Walt Bellamy | 27.74 |
Otis Thorpe | 27.70 |
Vince | 27.68 |
Tyson Chandler | 27.55 |
Sheed Wallace | 27.54 |
Jason Terry | 27.52 |
AC Green | 27.50 |
Kyrie | 27.49 |
Bill Sharman | 27.39 |
Melo | 27.38 |
Mo Cheeks | 27.35 |
Bob Lanier | 27.34 |
Zelmo Beaty | 27.24 |
T-Mac | 27.14 |
Gobert | 27.02 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 26.88 |
Tiny Archibald | 26.75 |
CWebb | 26.71 |
Ed Macauley | 26.65 |
Adrian Dantley | 26.53 |
Rajon Rondo | 26.45 |
Terry Porter | 26.45 |
Bobby Jones | 26.38 |
Buck Williams | 26.35 |
Dame | 26.18 |
Grant Hill | 26.08 |
Jimmy | 26.06 |
Bill Walton | 26.05 |
Dave DeBusschere | 26.02 |
Horford | 25.98 |
Elton Brand | 25.90 |
Klay | 25.80 |
Larry Nance | 25.80 |
Nate Thurmond | 25.76 |
Alex English | 25.65 |
KAT | 25.64 |
Jeff Hornacek | 25.55 |
Kevin Johnson | 25.53 |
Tim Hardaway | 25.51 |
Vlade Divac | 25.35 |
Paul George | 25.32 |
Detlef Schrempf | 25.20 |
Mullin | 25.19 |
Sam Perkins | 25.19 |
Millsap | 25.14 |
Blake | 25.06 |
Lenny Wilkens | 25.02 |
Sidney Moncrief | 24.94 |
Andre Miller | 24.88 |
Eddie Jones | 24.71 |
Clifford Robinson | 24.38 |
Rod Strickland | 24.34 |
Mookie Blaylock | 24.32 |
Joe Johnson | 24.23 |
Yao | 24.10 |
Mark Price | 23.83 |
AK47 | 23.73 |
Marques Johnson | 23.72 |
Dave Bing | 23.65 |
Earl Monroe | 23.22 |
Fat Lever | 23.19 |
Terrell Brandon | 22.88 |
David Thompson | 22.77 |
Alvin Robertson | 22.66 |
Doc Rivers | 22.19 |
Pistol Pete | 22.14 |
D Rose | 21.78 |
Nate McMillan | 20.90 |
Tree Rollins | 20.75 |
Mark Eaton | 20.21 |
Some notes on the leaderboard about 75% of the way through –
- It’s very likely down to LeBron and MJ at this point. MJ has a slight lead. Can he hold it?
- Kareem and Tim Duncan are well set-up for top 5 finishes, but that fifth spot is up for grabs with Bill Russell and Kobe within 0.12 points and a few others not far behind
- On the other end of the top 10, Shaq and Wilt should be good to stay on the right side of 10, and Larry Bird is holding off Dr J for that final spot. Erving, Hakeem, David Robinson, and a few others will have a hill to climb to make a run at Bird
- Both Steph (15) and KD (18) are in the top 20, joined by the rising Scottie Pippen (14)
- Karl Malone (17), Chris Paul (27), John Stockton (29), and Charles Barkley (34) are leading the ringless brigade and all sit in very respectable positions
- Giannis (31), Dwight (32), AD (36), Kawhi (37), and James Harden (42) make for an interesting group of active players that need a little more to really make a run at the top tiers of this list. Giannis figures to be the favorite to make that run given age and current situation, but AD, Kawhi, and Harden could all benefit from a few more great seasons if they have them in the tank
- Manu (35) ranking significantly ahead of Tony Parker (59) stands out.
- Isiah Thomas (55), Russ (57), Ewing (61), Nash (62), Reggie Miller (67), and Allen Iverson (75) lead a group of noteworthy players sitting outside the top 50
- At 74, Jokic is barely holding on to a top 75 spot
- Melo (97) is just barely holding on to a top 100 spot.
- Kyrie (95) is within 50 spots of Bob Cousy (48).
- Dame has fallen to 112th, which is well outside the top 75.
- Klay sits in 119th, which is even further outside the top 75 (Draymond has risen to a much more respectable 63rd).
- Pete Maravich and Derrick Rose sitting in the bottom five is perhaps a bit surprising, though lacking longevity is a big thorn in the side of both.
Playoff Record (7.5)
- Playoff Winning Percentage (3)
- Playoff Games Played (2.5)
- Playoff Wins (2)
Last up is playoff record since the part before the Finals matters too. This should be a rather self-explanatory category. It will reward players for both longevity on its own but also for consistently winning and making deeper playoff runs even if they tended to fall short at the end. The player that goes to six conference finals but only wins one title deserves some recognition too, and they don’t deserve to fall way behind the player that won two titles in just three deep playoff runs. We’ll take a look at both rate (winning percentage) and cumulative numbers (playoff games and wins) to get at winning in both.
Let’s start with playoff winning percentage for 3 goat points.
Player | Playoff Winning Percentage | GOAT POINTS |
Bill Walton | 0.776 | 3.00 |
Dray | 0.703 | 2.72 |
Klay | 0.703 | 2.72 |
George Mikan | 0.700 | 2.71 |
Steph | 0.694 | 2.68 |
Dennis Rodman | 0.686 | 2.65 |
K Love | 0.683 | 2.64 |
Kyrie | 0.676 | 2.61 |
Magic | 0.674 | 2.60 |
James Worthy | 0.671 | 2.60 |
MJ | 0.665 | 2.57 |
LeBron | 0.654 | 2.53 |
Pippen | 0.654 | 2.53 |
Horace Grant | 0.653 | 2.52 |
Kareem | 0.650 | 2.51 |
Sam Jones | 0.649 | 2.51 |
Bill Russell | 0.648 | 2.51 |
Bosh | 0.640 | 2.48 |
Kawhi | 0.637 | 2.46 |
IT | 0.631 | 2.44 |
Bill Laimbeer | 0.628 | 2.43 |
John Havlicek | 0.628 | 2.43 |
Tim Duncan | 0.625 | 2.42 |
AC Green | 0.621 | 2.40 |
Manu | 0.619 | 2.39 |
Bob McAdoo | 0.617 | 2.39 |
Kobe | 0.614 | 2.37 |
KD | 0.613 | 2.37 |
Tony Parker | 0.606 | 2.34 |
Iggy | 0.605 | 2.34 |
Larry | 0.604 | 2.33 |
Bill Sharman | 0.603 | 2.33 |
Dr J | 0.598 | 2.31 |
Shaq | 0.597 | 2.31 |
D Wade | 0.593 | 2.29 |
AD | 0.590 | 2.28 |
Rajon Rondo | 0.590 | 2.28 |
Ray Allen | 0.585 | 2.26 |
Dave Cowens | 0.584 | 2.26 |
Robert Parish | 0.582 | 2.25 |
Walt Frazier | 0.581 | 2.24 |
McHale | 0.580 | 2.24 |
Bob Cousy | 0.578 | 2.23 |
Willis Reed | 0.577 | 2.23 |
Bobby Jones | 0.570 | 2.20 |
David Robinson | 0.569 | 2.20 |
Jerry West | 0.569 | 2.20 |
Giannis | 0.566 | 2.19 |
Dave DeBusschere | 0.563 | 2.17 |
Zelmo Beaty | 0.557 | 2.15 |
Mo Cheeks | 0.556 | 2.15 |
Sheed Wallace | 0.554 | 2.14 |
Tiny Archibald | 0.553 | 2.14 |
Wilt | 0.550 | 2.13 |
Marc Gasol | 0.545 | 2.11 |
Jeff Hornacek | 0.543 | 2.10 |
Chauncey | 0.541 | 2.09 |
Elgin Baylor | 0.537 | 2.08 |
Oscar | 0.535 | 2.07 |
Shawn Marion | 0.532 | 2.06 |
Reggie | 0.528 | 2.04 |
Sam Perkins | 0.527 | 2.04 |
Hakeem | 0.524 | 2.03 |
Harden | 0.523 | 2.02 |
Gary Payton | 0.519 | 2.01 |
Dan Issel | 0.519 | 2.01 |
Ewing | 0.518 | 2.00 |
Dolph Schayes | 0.515 | 1.99 |
Pau | 0.515 | 1.99 |
Kevin Johnson | 0.514 | 1.99 |
Kyle Lowry | 0.514 | 1.99 |
Paul Pierce | 0.512 | 1.98 |
Bailey Howell | 0.512 | 1.98 |
Bob Pettit | 0.511 | 1.98 |
Ed Macauley | 0.511 | 1.97 |
Clyde Drexler | 0.510 | 1.97 |
Artis Gilmore | 0.510 | 1.97 |
Moses | 0.510 | 1.97 |
Karl Malone | 0.508 | 1.96 |
Chris Paul | 0.507 | 1.96 |
Adrian Dantley | 0.507 | 1.96 |
Doc Rivers | 0.506 | 1.96 |
Alonzo Mourning | 0.505 | 1.95 |
Rick Barry | 0.505 | 1.95 |
Chuck | 0.504 | 1.95 |
Dwight | 0.504 | 1.95 |
CWebb | 0.500 | 1.93 |
Elton Brand | 0.500 | 1.93 |
Kidd | 0.500 | 1.93 |
Vlade Divac | 0.496 | 1.92 |
Russ | 0.495 | 1.92 |
Mullin | 0.493 | 1.91 |
Nate McMillan | 0.490 | 1.89 |
KG | 0.490 | 1.89 |
Hal Greer | 0.489 | 1.89 |
Stockton | 0.489 | 1.89 |
Tyson Chandler | 0.487 | 1.88 |
Lenny Wilkens | 0.484 | 1.87 |
Jason Terry | 0.484 | 1.87 |
Horford | 0.483 | 1.87 |
Marques Johnson | 0.481 | 1.86 |
Jack Sikma | 0.480 | 1.86 |
Dirk | 0.476 | 1.84 |
Earl Monroe | 0.476 | 1.84 |
Nash | 0.475 | 1.84 |
Jimmy | 0.474 | 1.83 |
Detlef Schrempf | 0.474 | 1.83 |
Jerry Lucas | 0.472 | 1.83 |
Paul George | 0.472 | 1.83 |
Elvin Hayes | 0.469 | 1.81 |
Billy Cunningham | 0.463 | 1.79 |
Buck Williams | 0.463 | 1.79 |
Sidney Moncrief | 0.462 | 1.79 |
Otis Thorpe | 0.462 | 1.78 |
Mark Eaton | 0.459 | 1.78 |
Nate Thurmond | 0.457 | 1.77 |
Clifford Robinson | 0.454 | 1.75 |
Blake | 0.448 | 1.73 |
Bob Lanier | 0.448 | 1.73 |
Chet Walker | 0.448 | 1.73 |
Wes Unseld | 0.445 | 1.72 |
Terry Porter | 0.444 | 1.71 |
Joe Johnson | 0.442 | 1.71 |
Larry Nance | 0.441 | 1.71 |
Tree Rollins | 0.441 | 1.70 |
Millsap | 0.438 | 1.70 |
Jokic | 0.438 | 1.69 |
Eddie Jones | 0.432 | 1.67 |
Vince | 0.432 | 1.67 |
D Rose | 0.431 | 1.67 |
Gobert | 0.429 | 1.66 |
Paul Arizin | 0.429 | 1.66 |
Yao | 0.429 | 1.66 |
Alex English | 0.426 | 1.65 |
AI | 0.423 | 1.63 |
Dave Bing | 0.419 | 1.62 |
Fat Lever | 0.417 | 1.61 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 0.417 | 1.61 |
Dikembe | 0.416 | 1.61 |
George Gervin | 0.405 | 1.56 |
Mark Price | 0.404 | 1.56 |
AK47 | 0.400 | 1.55 |
David Thompson | 0.400 | 1.55 |
Dominique | 0.393 | 1.52 |
Pistol Pete | 0.385 | 1.49 |
T-Mac | 0.380 | 1.47 |
Tim Hardaway | 0.375 | 1.45 |
Walt Bellamy | 0.370 | 1.43 |
Andre Miller | 0.368 | 1.42 |
Dame | 0.361 | 1.39 |
Grant Hill | 0.359 | 1.39 |
Rod Strickland | 0.346 | 1.34 |
Terrell Brandon | 0.342 | 1.32 |
Melo | 0.337 | 1.30 |
Mookie Blaylock | 0.333 | 1.29 |
KAT | 0.273 | 1.05 |
Alvin Robertson | 0.077 | 0.30 |
Next up is playoff games played for 2.5 points.
Player | Playoff Games Played | GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 266 | 2.50 |
Tim Duncan | 251 | 2.36 |
Kareem | 237 | 2.23 |
Tony Parker | 226 | 2.12 |
Kobe | 220 | 2.07 |
Manu | 218 | 2.05 |
Shaq | 216 | 2.03 |
Pippen | 208 | 1.95 |
Karl Malone | 193 | 1.81 |
Magic | 190 | 1.79 |
Dr J | 189 | 1.78 |
Robert Parish | 184 | 1.73 |
Stockton | 182 | 1.71 |
MJ | 179 | 1.68 |
Iggy | 177 | 1.66 |
D Wade | 177 | 1.66 |
Sheed Wallace | 177 | 1.66 |
John Havlicek | 172 | 1.62 |
Ray Allen | 171 | 1.61 |
Horace Grant | 170 | 1.60 |
Paul Pierce | 170 | 1.60 |
Dennis Rodman | 169 | 1.59 |
McHale | 169 | 1.59 |
Sam Perkins | 167 | 1.57 |
Bill Russell | 165 | 1.55 |
Larry | 164 | 1.54 |
Wilt | 160 | 1.50 |
Kidd | 158 | 1.48 |
KD | 155 | 1.46 |
Sam Jones | 154 | 1.45 |
Gary Payton | 154 | 1.45 |
AC Green | 153 | 1.44 |
Jerry West | 153 | 1.44 |
Bobby Jones | 151 | 1.42 |
Harden | 149 | 1.40 |
Horford | 147 | 1.38 |
Chauncey | 146 | 1.37 |
Dray | 145 | 1.36 |
Klay | 145 | 1.36 |
Hakeem | 145 | 1.36 |
Clyde Drexler | 145 | 1.36 |
Dirk | 145 | 1.36 |
Reggie | 144 | 1.35 |
James Worthy | 143 | 1.34 |
KG | 143 | 1.34 |
Chris Paul | 142 | 1.33 |
Clifford Robinson | 141 | 1.33 |
Jeff Hornacek | 140 | 1.32 |
Ewing | 139 | 1.31 |
Pau | 136 | 1.28 |
Kawhi | 135 | 1.27 |
Steph | 134 | 1.26 |
Rajon Rondo | 134 | 1.26 |
Elgin Baylor | 134 | 1.26 |
Mo Cheeks | 133 | 1.25 |
Dan Issel | 133 | 1.25 |
Millsap | 130 | 1.22 |
Dwight | 125 | 1.17 |
Jason Terry | 124 | 1.17 |
Terry Porter | 124 | 1.17 |
David Robinson | 123 | 1.16 |
Chuck | 123 | 1.16 |
Vlade Divac | 121 | 1.14 |
Nash | 120 | 1.13 |
Joe Johnson | 120 | 1.13 |
Wes Unseld | 119 | 1.12 |
Zelmo Beaty | 115 | 1.08 |
Detlef Schrempf | 114 | 1.07 |
Bill Laimbeer | 113 | 1.06 |
IT | 111 | 1.04 |
Russ | 111 | 1.04 |
Bob Cousy | 109 | 1.02 |
Shawn Marion | 109 | 1.02 |
Paul George | 108 | 1.02 |
Buck Williams | 108 | 1.02 |
Kyle Lowry | 107 | 1.01 |
Kevin Johnson | 105 | 0.99 |
Rick Barry | 105 | 0.99 |
Chet Walker | 105 | 0.99 |
Jack Sikma | 102 | 0.96 |
Dikembe | 101 | 0.95 |
Artis Gilmore | 100 | 0.94 |
Moses | 100 | 0.94 |
Marc Gasol | 99 | 0.93 |
Nate McMillan | 98 | 0.92 |
Dolph Schayes | 97 | 0.91 |
Jimmy | 97 | 0.91 |
Dave DeBusschere | 96 | 0.90 |
Elvin Hayes | 96 | 0.90 |
Alonzo Mourning | 95 | 0.89 |
Bob McAdoo | 94 | 0.88 |
Walt Frazier | 93 | 0.87 |
Sidney Moncrief | 93 | 0.87 |
Tree Rollins | 93 | 0.87 |
Hal Greer | 92 | 0.86 |
Bosh | 89 | 0.84 |
Dave Cowens | 89 | 0.84 |
Bob Pettit | 88 | 0.83 |
Vince | 88 | 0.83 |
Oscar | 86 | 0.81 |
Bailey Howell | 86 | 0.81 |
George Gervin | 84 | 0.79 |
Melo | 83 | 0.78 |
Earl Monroe | 82 | 0.77 |
Doc Rivers | 81 | 0.76 |
Nate Thurmond | 81 | 0.76 |
Eddie Jones | 81 | 0.76 |
CWebb | 80 | 0.75 |
Bill Sharman | 78 | 0.73 |
Willis Reed | 78 | 0.73 |
Otis Thorpe | 78 | 0.73 |
Giannis | 76 | 0.71 |
Tyson Chandler | 76 | 0.71 |
Kyrie | 74 | 0.70 |
Mark Eaton | 74 | 0.70 |
Adrian Dantley | 73 | 0.69 |
Jerry Lucas | 72 | 0.68 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 72 | 0.68 |
Mullin | 71 | 0.67 |
AI | 71 | 0.67 |
George Mikan | 70 | 0.66 |
Larry Nance | 68 | 0.64 |
Alex English | 68 | 0.64 |
Andre Miller | 68 | 0.64 |
Blake | 67 | 0.63 |
Bob Lanier | 67 | 0.63 |
Lenny Wilkens | 64 | 0.60 |
K Love | 63 | 0.59 |
Dame | 61 | 0.57 |
Dominique | 56 | 0.53 |
Tim Hardaway | 56 | 0.53 |
AK47 | 55 | 0.52 |
Marques Johnson | 54 | 0.51 |
Billy Cunningham | 54 | 0.51 |
Mookie Blaylock | 54 | 0.51 |
Rod Strickland | 52 | 0.49 |
D Rose | 51 | 0.48 |
T-Mac | 50 | 0.47 |
Bill Walton | 49 | 0.46 |
Gobert | 49 | 0.46 |
Paul Arizin | 49 | 0.46 |
Jokic | 48 | 0.45 |
Fat Lever | 48 | 0.45 |
Tiny Archibald | 47 | 0.44 |
Ed Macauley | 47 | 0.44 |
Mark Price | 47 | 0.44 |
Walt Bellamy | 46 | 0.43 |
Elton Brand | 40 | 0.38 |
David Thompson | 40 | 0.38 |
AD | 39 | 0.37 |
Grant Hill | 39 | 0.37 |
Terrell Brandon | 38 | 0.36 |
Dave Bing | 31 | 0.29 |
Yao | 28 | 0.26 |
Pistol Pete | 26 | 0.24 |
Alvin Robertson | 13 | 0.12 |
KAT | 11 | 0.10 |
And lastly, playoff wins for 2 goat points.
Player | Playoff Wins | GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 174 | 2.00 |
Tim Duncan | 157 | 1.80 |
Kareem | 154 | 1.77 |
Tony Parker | 137 | 1.57 |
Pippen | 136 | 1.56 |
Kobe | 135 | 1.55 |
Manu | 135 | 1.55 |
Shaq | 129 | 1.48 |
Magic | 128 | 1.47 |
MJ | 119 | 1.37 |
Dennis Rodman | 116 | 1.33 |
Dr J | 113 | 1.30 |
Horace Grant | 111 | 1.28 |
John Havlicek | 108 | 1.24 |
Robert Parish | 107 | 1.23 |
Iggy | 107 | 1.23 |
Bill Russell | 107 | 1.23 |
D Wade | 105 | 1.21 |
Dray | 102 | 1.17 |
Klay | 102 | 1.17 |
Ray Allen | 100 | 1.15 |
Sam Jones | 100 | 1.15 |
Larry | 99 | 1.14 |
Karl Malone | 98 | 1.13 |
Sheed Wallace | 98 | 1.13 |
McHale | 98 | 1.13 |
James Worthy | 96 | 1.10 |
KD | 95 | 1.09 |
AC Green | 95 | 1.09 |
Steph | 93 | 1.07 |
Stockton | 89 | 1.02 |
Sam Perkins | 88 | 1.01 |
Wilt | 88 | 1.01 |
Paul Pierce | 87 | 1.00 |
Jerry West | 87 | 1.00 |
Bobby Jones | 86 | 0.99 |
Kawhi | 86 | 0.99 |
Gary Payton | 80 | 0.92 |
Kidd | 79 | 0.91 |
Chauncey | 79 | 0.91 |
Rajon Rondo | 79 | 0.91 |
Harden | 78 | 0.90 |
Hakeem | 76 | 0.87 |
Reggie | 76 | 0.87 |
Jeff Hornacek | 76 | 0.87 |
Clyde Drexler | 74 | 0.85 |
Mo Cheeks | 74 | 0.85 |
Chris Paul | 72 | 0.83 |
Ewing | 72 | 0.83 |
Elgin Baylor | 72 | 0.83 |
Horford | 71 | 0.82 |
Bill Laimbeer | 71 | 0.82 |
KG | 70 | 0.80 |
Pau | 70 | 0.80 |
David Robinson | 70 | 0.80 |
IT | 70 | 0.80 |
Dirk | 69 | 0.79 |
Dan Issel | 69 | 0.79 |
Clifford Robinson | 64 | 0.74 |
Zelmo Beaty | 64 | 0.74 |
Dwight | 63 | 0.72 |
Bob Cousy | 63 | 0.72 |
Chuck | 62 | 0.71 |
Jason Terry | 60 | 0.69 |
Vlade Divac | 60 | 0.69 |
Shawn Marion | 58 | 0.67 |
Bob McAdoo | 58 | 0.67 |
Millsap | 57 | 0.66 |
Nash | 57 | 0.66 |
Bosh | 57 | 0.66 |
Terry Porter | 55 | 0.63 |
Russ | 55 | 0.63 |
Kyle Lowry | 55 | 0.63 |
Detlef Schrempf | 54 | 0.62 |
Kevin Johnson | 54 | 0.62 |
Marc Gasol | 54 | 0.62 |
Dave DeBusschere | 54 | 0.62 |
Walt Frazier | 54 | 0.62 |
Joe Johnson | 53 | 0.61 |
Wes Unseld | 53 | 0.61 |
Rick Barry | 53 | 0.61 |
Dave Cowens | 52 | 0.60 |
Paul George | 51 | 0.59 |
Artis Gilmore | 51 | 0.59 |
Moses | 51 | 0.59 |
Buck Williams | 50 | 0.57 |
Dolph Schayes | 50 | 0.57 |
Kyrie | 50 | 0.57 |
Jack Sikma | 49 | 0.56 |
George Mikan | 49 | 0.56 |
Nate McMillan | 48 | 0.55 |
Alonzo Mourning | 48 | 0.55 |
Chet Walker | 47 | 0.54 |
Bill Sharman | 47 | 0.54 |
Jimmy | 46 | 0.53 |
Oscar | 46 | 0.53 |
Elvin Hayes | 45 | 0.52 |
Hal Greer | 45 | 0.52 |
Bob Pettit | 45 | 0.52 |
Willis Reed | 45 | 0.52 |
Bailey Howell | 44 | 0.51 |
Sidney Moncrief | 43 | 0.49 |
Giannis | 43 | 0.49 |
K Love | 43 | 0.49 |
Dikembe | 42 | 0.48 |
Tree Rollins | 41 | 0.47 |
Doc Rivers | 41 | 0.47 |
CWebb | 40 | 0.46 |
Earl Monroe | 39 | 0.45 |
Vince | 38 | 0.44 |
Bill Walton | 38 | 0.44 |
Nate Thurmond | 37 | 0.43 |
Tyson Chandler | 37 | 0.43 |
Adrian Dantley | 37 | 0.43 |
Otis Thorpe | 36 | 0.41 |
Eddie Jones | 35 | 0.40 |
Mullin | 35 | 0.40 |
George Gervin | 34 | 0.39 |
Mark Eaton | 34 | 0.39 |
Jerry Lucas | 34 | 0.39 |
Lenny Wilkens | 31 | 0.36 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 30 | 0.34 |
AI | 30 | 0.34 |
Larry Nance | 30 | 0.34 |
Blake | 30 | 0.34 |
Bob Lanier | 30 | 0.34 |
Alex English | 29 | 0.33 |
Melo | 28 | 0.32 |
Marques Johnson | 26 | 0.30 |
Tiny Archibald | 26 | 0.30 |
Andre Miller | 25 | 0.29 |
Billy Cunningham | 25 | 0.29 |
Ed Macauley | 24 | 0.28 |
AD | 23 | 0.26 |
Dame | 22 | 0.25 |
Dominique | 22 | 0.25 |
AK47 | 22 | 0.25 |
D Rose | 22 | 0.25 |
Tim Hardaway | 21 | 0.24 |
Gobert | 21 | 0.24 |
Paul Arizin | 21 | 0.24 |
Jokic | 21 | 0.24 |
Fat Lever | 20 | 0.23 |
Elton Brand | 20 | 0.23 |
T-Mac | 19 | 0.22 |
Mark Price | 19 | 0.22 |
Mookie Blaylock | 18 | 0.21 |
Rod Strickland | 18 | 0.21 |
Walt Bellamy | 17 | 0.20 |
David Thompson | 16 | 0.18 |
Grant Hill | 14 | 0.16 |
Terrell Brandon | 13 | 0.15 |
Dave Bing | 13 | 0.15 |
Yao | 12 | 0.14 |
Pistol Pete | 10 | 0.11 |
KAT | 3 | 0.03 |
Alvin Robertson | 1 | 0.01 |
We can then look at the cumulative leaderboard for our playoff record category –
Player | GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 7.03 |
Tim Duncan | 6.58 |
Kareem | 6.51 |
Pippen | 6.05 |
Tony Parker | 6.04 |
Manu | 5.99 |
Kobe | 5.99 |
Magic | 5.86 |
Shaq | 5.82 |
MJ | 5.62 |
Dennis Rodman | 5.58 |
Horace Grant | 5.40 |
Dr J | 5.39 |
Bill Russell | 5.29 |
John Havlicek | 5.29 |
Dray | 5.25 |
Klay | 5.25 |
Iggy | 5.23 |
Robert Parish | 5.21 |
D Wade | 5.16 |
Sam Jones | 5.11 |
James Worthy | 5.04 |
Ray Allen | 5.02 |
Larry | 5.01 |
Steph | 5.01 |
McHale | 4.96 |
Sheed Wallace | 4.93 |
AC Green | 4.93 |
KD | 4.92 |
Karl Malone | 4.90 |
Kawhi | 4.72 |
Wilt | 4.64 |
Jerry West | 4.64 |
Stockton | 4.62 |
Sam Perkins | 4.62 |
Bobby Jones | 4.61 |
Paul Pierce | 4.58 |
Rajon Rondo | 4.45 |
Gary Payton | 4.38 |
Chauncey | 4.37 |
Kidd | 4.33 |
Harden | 4.32 |
Bill Laimbeer | 4.31 |
Jeff Hornacek | 4.29 |
IT | 4.29 |
Reggie | 4.27 |
Hakeem | 4.26 |
Mo Cheeks | 4.25 |
Clyde Drexler | 4.19 |
Elgin Baylor | 4.16 |
David Robinson | 4.16 |
Ewing | 4.14 |
Chris Paul | 4.12 |
Pau | 4.07 |
Horford | 4.06 |
Dan Issel | 4.05 |
KG | 4.04 |
Dirk | 4.00 |
Bob Cousy | 3.98 |
Zelmo Beaty | 3.97 |
Bosh | 3.97 |
Bob McAdoo | 3.94 |
George Mikan | 3.93 |
Bill Walton | 3.90 |
Kyrie | 3.88 |
Dwight | 3.85 |
Chuck | 3.82 |
Clifford Robinson | 3.82 |
Shawn Marion | 3.75 |
Vlade Divac | 3.74 |
Walt Frazier | 3.74 |
Jason Terry | 3.73 |
K Love | 3.73 |
Dave DeBusschere | 3.70 |
Dave Cowens | 3.69 |
Marc Gasol | 3.66 |
Kyle Lowry | 3.63 |
Nash | 3.62 |
Bill Sharman | 3.60 |
Kevin Johnson | 3.60 |
Russ | 3.59 |
Millsap | 3.57 |
Rick Barry | 3.55 |
Detlef Schrempf | 3.52 |
Terry Porter | 3.51 |
Artis Gilmore | 3.50 |
Moses | 3.50 |
Willis Reed | 3.48 |
Dolph Schayes | 3.48 |
Wes Unseld | 3.45 |
Joe Johnson | 3.44 |
Paul George | 3.43 |
Oscar | 3.40 |
Alonzo Mourning | 3.40 |
Giannis | 3.40 |
Buck Williams | 3.38 |
Jack Sikma | 3.38 |
Nate McMillan | 3.37 |
Bob Pettit | 3.32 |
Bailey Howell | 3.29 |
Jimmy | 3.27 |
Hal Greer | 3.27 |
Chet Walker | 3.26 |
Elvin Hayes | 3.23 |
Doc Rivers | 3.19 |
Sidney Moncrief | 3.16 |
CWebb | 3.14 |
Adrian Dantley | 3.07 |
Earl Monroe | 3.06 |
Tree Rollins | 3.05 |
Dikembe | 3.04 |
Tyson Chandler | 3.02 |
Mullin | 2.98 |
Nate Thurmond | 2.95 |
Vince | 2.93 |
Otis Thorpe | 2.93 |
AD | 2.91 |
Jerry Lucas | 2.89 |
Tiny Archibald | 2.88 |
Mark Eaton | 2.86 |
Eddie Jones | 2.83 |
Lenny Wilkens | 2.83 |
George Gervin | 2.75 |
Blake | 2.71 |
Bob Lanier | 2.71 |
Ed Macauley | 2.69 |
Larry Nance | 2.69 |
Marques Johnson | 2.67 |
AI | 2.65 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 2.63 |
Alex English | 2.62 |
Billy Cunningham | 2.58 |
Elton Brand | 2.54 |
Melo | 2.41 |
D Rose | 2.40 |
Jokic | 2.38 |
Gobert | 2.36 |
Paul Arizin | 2.36 |
Andre Miller | 2.35 |
AK47 | 2.32 |
Dominique | 2.30 |
Fat Lever | 2.29 |
Mark Price | 2.22 |
Dame | 2.22 |
Tim Hardaway | 2.22 |
T-Mac | 2.16 |
David Thompson | 2.11 |
Dave Bing | 2.06 |
Yao | 2.06 |
Walt Bellamy | 2.06 |
Rod Strickland | 2.03 |
Mookie Blaylock | 2.00 |
Grant Hill | 1.92 |
Pistol Pete | 1.85 |
Terrell Brandon | 1.83 |
KAT | 1.19 |
Alvin Robertson | 0.43 |
And then our new cumulative leaderboard, with a change at the top –
Player | TOTAL GOAT POINTS |
LeBron | 65.18 |
MJ | 64.18 |
Kareem | 59.73 |
Tim Duncan | 58.31 |
Kobe | 54.02 |
Bill Russell | 53.44 |
Magic | 53.33 |
Shaq | 52.34 |
Wilt | 51.01 |
Larry | 49.07 |
Dr J | 47.85 |
Pippen | 46.52 |
Hakeem | 45.68 |
Steph | 45.25 |
David Robinson | 45.02 |
Karl Malone | 44.30 |
KG | 43.70 |
KD | 43.65 |
John Havlicek | 42.49 |
Dirk | 42.46 |
George Mikan | 42.22 |
D Wade | 41.74 |
Moses | 41.38 |
Pau | 40.14 |
Manu | 39.86 |
Oscar | 39.57 |
Jerry West | 39.53 |
Artis Gilmore | 39.24 |
Chris Paul | 39.20 |
Stockton | 39.12 |
Kidd | 38.29 |
Kawhi | 38.17 |
Horace Grant | 37.94 |
Robert Parish | 37.85 |
Dwight | 37.82 |
Bob Pettit | 37.71 |
Chuck | 37.70 |
Giannis | 37.45 |
Ray Allen | 37.04 |
Gary Payton | 36.95 |
Clyde Drexler | 36.94 |
Paul Pierce | 36.83 |
Harden | 36.74 |
AD | 36.46 |
Dennis Rodman | 36.42 |
Sam Jones | 36.30 |
McHale | 36.21 |
Tony Parker | 36.19 |
Rick Barry | 35.75 |
Elvin Hayes | 35.57 |
Bob Cousy | 35.38 |
Dolph Schayes | 35.36 |
Dray | 34.92 |
Dan Issel | 34.90 |
IT | 34.64 |
Iggy | 34.52 |
Elgin Baylor | 34.42 |
Shawn Marion | 34.31 |
Walt Frazier | 34.10 |
Dave Cowens | 34.02 |
James Worthy | 34.01 |
Bosh | 33.93 |
Ewing | 33.91 |
Russ | 33.87 |
Chauncey | 33.79 |
Reggie | 33.60 |
Bill Laimbeer | 33.42 |
Nash | 33.37 |
Alonzo Mourning | 32.94 |
Kyle Lowry | 32.79 |
Jack Sikma | 32.55 |
Bailey Howell | 32.50 |
Wes Unseld | 32.50 |
Sheed Wallace | 32.47 |
AC Green | 32.43 |
Willis Reed | 32.28 |
Bob McAdoo | 32.10 |
Marc Gasol | 31.85 |
Dikembe | 31.77 |
K Love | 31.77 |
Paul Arizin | 31.75 |
AI | 31.66 |
Mo Cheeks | 31.60 |
Chet Walker | 31.44 |
Jokic | 31.42 |
Kyrie | 31.37 |
Jerry Lucas | 31.27 |
Jason Terry | 31.25 |
Zelmo Beaty | 31.21 |
Hal Greer | 31.11 |
Klay | 31.05 |
Bill Sharman | 30.99 |
Bobby Jones | 30.99 |
Rajon Rondo | 30.90 |
Billy Cunningam | 30.85 |
George Gervin | 30.64 |
Otis Thorpe | 30.63 |
Vince | 30.61 |
Tyson Chandler | 30.57 |
Dominique | 30.57 |
Bob Lanier | 30.05 |
Horford | 30.04 |
Terry Porter | 29.96 |
Bill Walton | 29.95 |
CWebb | 29.85 |
Jeff Hornacek | 29.84 |
Sam Perkins | 29.81 |
Walt Bellamy | 29.80 |
Melo | 29.79 |
Buck Williams | 29.73 |
Dave DeBusschere | 29.72 |
Tiny Archibald | 29.63 |
Adrian Dantley | 29.60 |
LaMarcus Aldridge | 29.51 |
Gobert | 29.38 |
Ed Macauley | 29.34 |
Jimmy | 29.33 |
T-Mac | 29.30 |
Kevin Johnson | 29.13 |
Vlade Divac | 29.09 |
Paul George | 28.75 |
Detlef Schrempf | 28.72 |
Nate Thurmond | 28.71 |
Millsap | 28.71 |
Larry Nance | 28.49 |
Elton Brand | 28.44 |
Dame | 28.40 |
Alex English | 28.27 |
Clifford Robinson | 28.20 |
Mullin | 28.17 |
Sidney Moncrief | 28.10 |
Grant Hill | 28.00 |
Lenny Wilkens | 27.85 |
Blake | 27.77 |
Tim Hardaway | 27.73 |
Joe Johnson | 27.67 |
Eddie Jones | 27.54 |
Andre Miller | 27.23 |
KAT | 26.83 |
Marques Johnson | 26.39 |
Rod Strickland | 26.37 |
Mookie Blaylock | 26.32 |
Earl Monroe | 26.28 |
Yao | 26.16 |
Mark Price | 26.05 |
AK47 | 26.05 |
Dave Bing | 25.71 |
Fat Lever | 25.48 |
Doc Rivers | 25.38 |
David Thompson | 24.88 |
Terrell Brandon | 24.71 |
Nate McMillan | 24.27 |
D Rose | 24.18 |
Pistol Pete | 23.99 |
Tree Rollins | 23.80 |
Alvin Robertson | 23.09 |
Mark Eaton | 23.07 |
Some notes –
- LeBron jumps ahead here with his longevity and impressive playoff win numbers making their mark. He’s our GOAT.
- Kareem and Tim Duncan are very secure in their top five spots, and Kobe has grabbed the last spot.
- Doctor J pushed for a top ten spot, but Bird is safe.
- Steph (14) and KD (18) stick around the top 20.
- Dwyane Wade (22), Pau (24), and Manu (25) all sit in the top 25.
- Kawhi has jumped up to 32nd, ahead of Giannis (38), Harden (44), and AD (45).
- Tony Parker and Dennis Rodman have both found the top 50 with Dray (53) and IT (55) close behind.
- AI sits down in 82nd.
- Jokic (85) and Kyrie (86) sit well outside the top 75.
- Klay (91) is firmly inside the top 100 but not too far beyond it.
- Vince (98) and Dominique (100) sitting right on the top 100 edge, but Melo (109) is on the outside looking in with Tracy McGrady (118) and Dame (127).
We’ll go over the full list here.
One last note – I decided to cut supporting cast and opponent strength as categories. Who you play with and who you play against will impact the results that are produced, and there is likely enough variation between players across those two categories to take it into account here. But both are difficult to measure. For supporting cast, we could theoretically use win shares and find a percentage or cumulative measure of teammate help. But do we look at the full roster? The top eight players? The top five? Three? Do we include regular season and playoffs or just one? For opponent strength, do we use a regular season stat like SRS that might not accurately track how teams perform when it actually matters in the playoffs? Do we try to use some small sample size, likely meaningless measure of playoff performance? What about accounting for late-season injuries? There are ultimately too many questions, not enough good answers, and not enough reason to look into these categories without a clearly valid direction to make them happen. So we’ll end with 14 categories.